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Axiom Air 61 rotary knobs?

I'm loosing my mind with the rotary knobs on my Axiom Air 61. As you all (might) know, the rotary knobs on the device can be turned around and around, so there's no traditional limit of 0 to 127 on those. But now there lies a problem: the change on the value is more related to the speed of turning the knobs, not how much you actually turn them. In other words, if I turn any of the knobs really slow it takes several full rotations for the (filter/resonance/velocity/what ever) value to move from 0 to 127, or vice versa. If I turn them really fast, then it takes about one fifth of a turn for the value to go from 0 to 127.

So, if I have, let's say for example filter change from value 30 to 40, which will take effect on a half bar long slice of my song, how am I suppose to do that with my Air 61? I have to turn the knob so fast that the value changes not to 40, but actually something over 100. And same goes for another way around. If I'd like to have a value change from 110 to 20 on a 8 bar long bit on my track then I'd have to turn the knob so slowly that the value changes only from 110 to 60.

If this is the way how it is actually designed to work, could you please explain how I'm supposed to get the amount of change I want in the time scale I want. And this is the same regardless of the DAW, the value on the screen of the device behaves exact the same way whether there's any DAW started up or not. And if there is any DAW open the values changes there respectively as on the device's own display.

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    Seriously... Anything? If you have no idea then just say that...
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    I'm encountering this as well, and have posted about it. I'd really like to see a firmware update that allows for linear behavior for knobs. The "acceleration" M-Audio offers makes the knobs unusable as is.
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    The knobs are basically useless!
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  • Hello,

    Thank you for contacting us with your feature suggestion. Your feedback is important to us. I've logged your comments and suggestions into our feature request system. Such requests get compiled, and are delivered in a report to Product managers, and members of our development team, ensuring that they receive the widest audience possible.

    We certainly appreciate it when someone goes out of their way to share their ideas. Thank you again for your feedback!
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  • Any update to this issue? Because it IS an issue. It's nice that someone from Inmusic commented that they took note of the thread. I'm interested in someone from Inmusic explaining a use-case for this "feature." What made you guys think it was a good idea in the first place?
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  • In the marketing text, M-Audio explains that the Axiom Airs as "Offering unprecedented control..."

    Unprecedented is defined as: "never done or known before"

    I believe this is directly in reference to how the knobs behave. The experience of using the knobs remind of the classic image of a guy that drops his hat on the ground, leans over to pick it up, but kicks the hat away at the last moment. Its so hard to hit a moving target, but that is what you are doing when attempting to dial in a parameter value with these knobs.
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  • Hi all,
    I have this same problem with the knobs... I just purchased an Axiom Air 25 and I use FL studio and linking the knobs right away is worthless basically. I've been looking all over the web and found nothing useful, and sincerely surprised that an M-audio product has this kind of support...
    I found some sort of way around though, thought it might be helpful for some:
    1. Press EDIT, tweak the KNOB you linked (or want to link), press PARAM ASSIGN
    2. It should say "MIDI CC#" on the LCD screen, if not move down on the directional buttons until you see it
    3. Move right on the directional buttons until you see "Data: Norm". Now moving down look for "Data: 1Step"
    4. Press the center directional button

    Apparently if you do this, the knob will work with linear increments. Now you can adjust the sensitivity in FL studio (check how to do this if you have other DAW).
    In FL Studio, Right-click > Link to controller... (on the knob you linked). Then just change the Mapping formula, multiplying by 0.5 for example and try it... I felt some sort of relief when I did this,

    The manual is pretty basic, I couldn't even found a good guide for using PARAM ARRAY...

    Anyways, hope it helps!
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  • Wow... I don't have the AIR anymore because I took it back to Guitar Center and bought a Novation SL Mk2, so I can't attempt to replicate that suggestion. Thank you for posting this work around. I really hope that it works for a lot of people. I had attempted to dive into those menus, but I wasn't able to get it to respond to me properly... I did get to the section that you are explaining but wasn't able to change its values, for some reason it felt like the controller froze up on me and didn't allow me to change its values. I'm no stranger to config menus, for the record I also own the Axiom Pro 61 and a Kurzweil PC88MX, and have no problem navigating onboard menus to get the specific behaviors I'm looking for from them.

    If that is the solution, I'm surprised how many people are BEGGING M-Audio for help about this, yet M-Audio doesn't seem to even know what to say to the customers dying for any type of assistance. If you read further up this thread the only "official response" from M-Audio about this was from CMeadows 5 months ago which says:

    "Thank you for contacting us with your feature suggestion. Your feedback is important to us. I've logged your comments and suggestions into our feature request system."
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  • No workable solution to this on OSX 10.9 that I can find. I would keep the controller if I could use it in general midi mode, but it's pretty pointless without encoders. Will be returning this week.
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  • Me too! So frustrating. Have it for one day now and am already flooded with workarounds and unsolvable problems. I need it to work with Mainstage as well.
    That's what a MIDI controller should do, right? One should be able to perform without looking at the computer screen, so the axioms display should show patch names and mapped parameter values, that's pretty much all i ask.
    Axiom A.I.R. 61 won't even allow you too adjust a rotary knob in a controllable way, so what's the use in it?!

    The trigger pads feel kind of strange, too - but hey, I could live with that.
    With hypercontrol for Protools there are massive also - it won't work ;-).
    Oh well, I'll return this thing tomorrow.
    Damn, it seems that M-Audio is really nothing but a mess now! I sorta feel bad for them...
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  • BTW, I just found a similar "work around" (oh god, what a word) for Mainstage:
    1. Press EDIT, tweak the KNOB you linked (or want to link), press PARAM ASSIGN key on keyboard
    2. It should say "MIDI CC#" on the LCD screen, if not move down on the directional buttons until you see it
    3. Move right on the directional buttons until you see "Data: Norm". Now moving down look for "Date:REL2C"
    4. Press the center directional button
    5. In Mainstage set controller type to "2S COMPLIMENT".

    Now the knob values don't jump around no more.

    BUT: the confusing disadvantage to the above method is that you can't see the absolute value anymore on the keyboard display, only the relative amount.

    Why no better support for Mainstage?
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  • any update on this? I am trying to get the knobs to work in studio one and they just jump all over the place. I really feel like I wasted my money with this keyboard
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  • I’m disgusted
    I bought an air 25 today, it sux, the rotary controllers dont work.
    Looking at this thread and the timescale Im appalled m-audio havent even addressed the problem. Im sending mine back if I cant fix it tomorrow...
    Waste of time and money...plus return P&P fees!
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  • I’m frustrated
    I Agree, Got mine yesterday, after had good opinion about m-audio.
    Anyone from the support team can please at least response and provide some updates, but at least response...

    I've tried both workarounds(thanks you for providing them) but didn't work for me with Cubase 5

    Oh!!, If you don't have developers time at least provide the source code so someone
    can try fixing for you...
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  • I’m sad
    great it started freezing too.
    I'm going to return it in the next couple days
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